Monday, February 28, 2011

Re: [PDI] FW: Daily News Digest: Politics News

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We saw the results of the privatization of some prisons in PA (?) recently
as a judge was sentenced for sending kids there when he has a financial
interest in the facilities . . .

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From: "Geraldine Perry" <healthadvantage@comcast.net>
To: <Bob.Babcock.now@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [PDI] FW: Daily News Digest: Politics News


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> Hi all,
>
> Concerning the spread of the present protests, shouldn't we also ask WHY
> did the basically non-existent Wisconsin budget problem become such a
> problem in the first place?
>
> Could it have anything to do with the privatization schemes being sneaked
> in through the back door all over the United States?
>
> For example there is that pesky addendum to Walker's so-called budget bill
> calling for the privatization of power plants:
> http://www.onthecommons.org/wisconsin-governor-walkers-secret-privatization-agenda -
> and there is a similar Illinois bill proposed by Rep Connelly or some
> such. Seems the issue has for a while been on the PIRG radar screen (and
> not a few Chicagoans who suffered mightily when the parking meters, paid
> for by taxpayers were sold for a song to a consortium led by Morgan
> Stanley):
> https://www.illinoispirg.org/home/reports/report-archives/stop-taxpayer-giveaways/stop-taxpayer-giveaways/privatization-and-the-public-interest
> - but why hasn't it been on the radar screen of all those protesters?
>
> Just who do these privatization schemes benefit? Certainly not we the
> people, who would most likely raise our voices in strong opposition if
> they knew the scope of this effort - which extends not only to parking
> meters and power plants but to pension plan privatization. Conversion of
> public pension systems to individual 401K accounts would certainly be yet
> another cash cow for Wall Street, but given the history of Enron etal,
> maybe not such a good idea for everyone else.
>
> Things will only get worse, much worse, especially for those not connected
> to Wall Street. The problem is systemic and has to do with the manner in
> which our "money" is created as "credit" - that is to say debt.
>
> There is a better way: the NEED Act:
> http://www.monetary.org/hr6550bill.pdf which will pay off the ENTIRE
> national debt within 20 to 30 years, and which reduce States current
> borrowing costs by 2/3's, all while adding no debt and reducing taxes
> substantially.
>
> This is easily the most important bill of our time, and all time - because
> from money flows all other things.
>
> I hope you will help spread the word,
>
>
> geri p
>
>
> On 2/27/11 10:17 AM, Dan Stafford wrote:
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>> Here's just another series of examples of what corporate media is
>> reporting.
>>
>> If you want to know about the NATION-WIDE protests, take a good look
>> around http://www.rawstory.com This morning. They even have a blog full
>> of photos from people AT the rallies. Even Texas and Alaska turned out.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
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>> Signs of progress in averting government shutdown
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=1&u=/ap/us_congress_spending
>> AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:49 am PST
>>
>> Lawmakers appear to be moving closer to a compromise that would prevent a
>> government shutdown, at least for now.
>> Largest crowds since Vietnam War march in Wisconsin
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=2&u=/nm/us_wisconsin_protests
>> Reuters - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:03 pm PST
>>
>> A crowd estimated at more than 70,000 people on Saturday waved American
>> flags, sang the national anthem and called for the defeat of a Wisconsin
>> plan to curb public sector unions that has galvanized opposition from the
>> American labor movement.
>> Obama: It's time for Libya's Gadhafi to go
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=3&u=/ap/us_us_libya
>> AP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:42 am PST
>>
>> President Barack Obama has called on Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi to
>> leave power immediately, saying he has lost the legitimacy to rule with
>> his violent crackdown on his own people.
>> Tea party uses Ariz. summit to scope out 2012 role
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&e=4&u=/ap/us_tea_party_summit2012
>> AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:59 pm PST
>>
>> Tea party supporters packed a Phoenix convention center Saturday to hear
>> from two possible contenders for next year's Republican presidential
>> nomination an election the conservative populist movement is determined
>> to shape after helping the GOP to big gains in the midterm elections.
>> Trump says presidential bid isn't a publicity stunt
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3882&e=5&u=/yblog_theticket/trump-says-presidential-bid-isnt-a-publicity-stunt
>> The Ticket - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:37 am PST
>>
>> It's hard to take a prospective presidential candidate seriously when he
>> has no political experience, and when his current claim to public renown
>> is a reality TV franchise involving more than a little self-parody. But
>> Donald Trump suggests he's going to have the last laugh when he announces
>> a bid. Politico's Mike Allen reports that [...]
>> Georgia congressman condemns question about shooting president
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3881&e=6&u=/yblog_theticket/georgia-congressman-condemns-question-about-shooting-president
>> The Ticket - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:42 pm PST
>>
>> Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) said Friday he was "stunned" that someone asked
>> him "who's going to shoot Obama?" at a town hall earlier this week. Blake
>> Aued of the Athens Banner-Herald reported Wednesday that the question
>> elicited laughter and provoked a sympathetic response from Broun: "I know
>> there's a lot of frustration with this president. [...]
>> Why Isn't the GOP Learning From Chris Christie?
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3732&e=7&u=/atlantic/whyisntthegoplearningfromchrischristie7141
>> The Atlantic Wire - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:21 pm PST
>>
>> Daunted by the bitter budget battle in Wisconsin, GOP leaders in "several
>> states" are softening their positions on public employee unions, reports
>> the Associated Press. In Indiana, Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) implored GOP
>> legislators to abandon a "right to work" bill. In Ohio, GOP senate
>> leaders have watered down a bill prohibiting collective bargaining rights
>> for public employees. Michigan's and Florida's GOP governors have agreed
>> to take a "conciliatory approach" to union groups. The question that
>> should come to mind for Republican strategists is why now? Whether one
>> considers the fight against public unions an example of malicious
>> Republican scapegoating or genuine budgetary problem-solving is beside
>> the point. Politically, there's a strong argument to make that
>> union-bashing has never been a more popular issue. In his cover story in
>> The New York Times Magazine, Matt Bai makes precisely that argument in
>> his assessment of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's recent successes: Not
>> only are public employees' contracts no longer untouchable for any
>> politician who wants to stay in office, but it turns out that the
>> opposite is true; taking the fight to the unions is a good way to bolster
>> your credentials as a gutsy reformer with voters who have been losing
>> faith for years in public schools and government bureaucracies. This,
>> more than anything else, is the lesson that Chris Christie has impressed
>> on his contemporaries.
>> Right now sees FLOTUS as fair game
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3227&e=8&u=/politico/50155
>> Politico - Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:43 pm PST
>>
>> Except for an ill-advised trip to an expensive Spanish resort last
>> summer, Michelle Obama has escaped much of the criticism that has been
>> directed at her husband, keeping a relatively low-profile while primarily
>> focusing on childhood obesity, military families and the arts.
>> Decision time for Newt
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3256&e=9&u=/politico_rss/20110226/rss_politico_mostpop/http___www_politico_com_news_stories0211_50257_html
>> Politico - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:47 pm PST
>>
>> It's clear that Newt Gingrich is just days away deciding what to do next
>> about a presidential run.
>> Shutdown veterans of '95: 'Don't do it'
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3256&e=10&u=/politico_rss/20110226/rss_politico_mostpop/http___www_politico_com_news_stories0211_50226_html
>> Politico - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:31 pm PST
>>
>> Senate Dems and House Republicans seem willing to negotiate at least a
>> two-week measure.
>> US citizen recalls 'humiliating' post-9/11 arrest
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=11&u=/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_ashcroft_lawsuit
>> AP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:47 am PST
>>
>> Handcuffed and marched through Washington's Dulles International Airport
>> in his Muslim clothing, the man with the long, dark beard could only
>> imagine what people were thinking.
>> Govs to feds: Avoid causing states any more pain
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=12&u=/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_governors_economy
>> AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:51 pm PST
>>
>> Their states on the brink of financial catastrophe, governors pleaded
>> Saturday for the divided federal government to avoid doing anything that
>> would hamper the tenuous economic recovery back home.
>> Boy stuck 2 years in Ukraine arrives in Belgium
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=14&u=/ap/20110226/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_stranded_baby
>> AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:56 pm PST
>>
>> A baby trapped more than two years in Ukraine by bureaucratic hurdles has
>> arrived in Brussels with his parents, a pair of legally married Belgian
>> men, ending the couple's long legal battle to bring their son home.
>> Obama says Kadhafi must 'leave now': WHouse
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&e=15&u=/afp/20110227/ts_alt_afp/libyaunrestpoliticsus
>> AFP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:12 am PST
>>
>> President Barack Obama has called on Moamer Kadhafi to "leave now,"
>> declaring that the Libyan leader had lost his right to rule after
>> attacking his own people to put down a popular uprising.
>> Lawmakers Come Under Rocket Fire in Iraq, Claim They Weren't Scared
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3732&e=16&u=/atlantic/20110225/cm_atlantic/lawmakerscomeunderrocketfireiniraqclaimtheywerentscared7142
>> The Atlantic Wire - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:18 pm PST
>>
>> Five members of Congress came under rocket fire while visiting a military
>> base in Iraq Friday, Politico's Marin Cogan reports. They were herded
>> into a bunker and guarded by soldiers while they listened to the
>> explosions. But don't worry folks--they weren't scared, not for a minute.
>> Former Rep. Chris Lee may have been searching for transgender women on
>> Craigslist
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=17&u=/dailycaller/20110226/pl_dailycaller/formerrepchrisleemayhavebeensearchingfortransgenderwomenoncraigslist
>> Daily Caller - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:39 am PST
>>
>> The Craigslist cruising of former New York Republican Rep. Chris Lee may
>> have been more expansive than first reported.
>> No shutdown after all? Senate Dems 'encouraged' by GOP short-term funding
>> plan
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=18&u=/dailycaller/20110225/pl_dailycaller/noshutdownafterallsenatedemsencouragedbygopshorttermfundingplan
>> Daily Caller - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:02 pm PST
>>
>> Senate Democrats suggested Friday that the upper chamber could come to a
>> short-term agreement to extend government funding with House Republicans
>> after all, which would put off the threat of a government shutdown for at
>> least two more weeks.
>> Mulling 2012 run, Pawlenty hits "union-coddling" Obama
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=19&u=/nm/20110226/pl_nm/us_pawlenty
>> Reuters - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:07 pm PST
>>
>> Not known as a hard-hitting conservative, former Minnesota Governor Tim
>> Pawlenty got a standing ovation from Tea Party activists on Saturday as
>> he praised small government, the U.S. Constitution and took a swing at
>> "union-coddling" President Barack Obama.
>> Angry rallier screams about 'uneducated' Tea Party [VIDEO]
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=20&u=/dailycaller/20110225/pl_dailycaller/angryrallierscreamsaboutuneducatedteapartyvideo
>> Daily Caller - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:47 am PST
>>
>> A livid public union supporter rants during a Feb. 22 anti-Scott Walker
>> rally, shrieking about the Tea Party and in favor of unions, which he
>> says the country is based upon.
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Re: [PDI] FW: Daily News Digest: Politics News

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Hi all,

Concerning the spread of the present protests, shouldn't we also ask WHY
did the basically non-existent Wisconsin budget problem become such a
problem in the first place?

Could it have anything to do with the privatization schemes being
sneaked in through the back door all over the United States?

For example there is that pesky addendum to Walker's so-called budget
bill calling for the privatization of power plants:
http://www.onthecommons.org/wisconsin-governor-walkers-secret-privatization-agenda
- and there is a similar Illinois bill proposed by Rep Connelly or some
such. Seems the issue has for a while been on the PIRG radar screen (and
not a few Chicagoans who suffered mightily when the parking meters, paid
for by taxpayers were sold for a song to a consortium led by Morgan
Stanley):
https://www.illinoispirg.org/home/reports/report-archives/stop-taxpayer-giveaways/stop-taxpayer-giveaways/privatization-and-the-public-interest
- but why hasn't it been on the radar screen of all those protesters?

Just who do these privatization schemes benefit? Certainly not we the
people, who would most likely raise our voices in strong opposition if
they knew the scope of this effort - which extends not only to parking
meters and power plants but to pension plan privatization. Conversion of
public pension systems to individual 401K accounts would certainly be
yet another cash cow for Wall Street, but given the history of Enron
etal, maybe not such a good idea for everyone else.

Things will only get worse, much worse, especially for those not
connected to Wall Street. The problem is systemic and has to do with the
manner in which our "money" is created as "credit" - that is to say debt.

There is a better way: the NEED Act:
http://www.monetary.org/hr6550bill.pdf which will pay off the ENTIRE
national debt within 20 to 30 years, and which reduce States current
borrowing costs by 2/3's, all while adding no debt and reducing taxes
substantially.

This is easily the most important bill of our time, and all time -
because from money flows all other things.

I hope you will help spread the word,


geri p


On 2/27/11 10:17 AM, Dan Stafford wrote:
> *** SENT THROUGH PDI MAILING LIST ***
> Here's just another series of examples of what corporate media is reporting.
>
> If you want to know about the NATION-WIDE protests, take a good look around http://www.rawstory.com This morning. They even have a blog full of photos from people AT the rallies. Even Texas and Alaska turned out.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Daily News Digest: Sunday, February 27, 2011 8:01 AM PST
> Signs of progress in averting government shutdown
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=1&u=/ap/us_congress_spending
> AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:49 am PST
>
> Lawmakers appear to be moving closer to a compromise that would prevent a government shutdown, at least for now.
> Largest crowds since Vietnam War march in Wisconsin
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=2&u=/nm/us_wisconsin_protests
> Reuters - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:03 pm PST
>
> A crowd estimated at more than 70,000 people on Saturday waved American flags, sang the national anthem and called for the defeat of a Wisconsin plan to curb public sector unions that has galvanized opposition from the American labor movement.
> Obama: It's time for Libya's Gadhafi to go
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=3&u=/ap/us_us_libya
> AP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:42 am PST
>
> President Barack Obama has called on Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi to leave power immediately, saying he has lost the legitimacy to rule with his violent crackdown on his own people.
> Tea party uses Ariz. summit to scope out 2012 role
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&e=4&u=/ap/us_tea_party_summit2012
> AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:59 pm PST
>
> Tea party supporters packed a Phoenix convention center Saturday to hear from two possible contenders for next year's Republican presidential nomination an election the conservative populist movement is determined to shape after helping the GOP to big gains in the midterm elections.
> Trump says presidential bid isn't a publicity stunt
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3882&e=5&u=/yblog_theticket/trump-says-presidential-bid-isnt-a-publicity-stunt
> The Ticket - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:37 am PST
>
> It's hard to take a prospective presidential candidate seriously when he has no political experience, and when his current claim to public renown is a reality TV franchise involving more than a little self-parody. But Donald Trump suggests he's going to have the last laugh when he announces a bid. Politico's Mike Allen reports that [...]
> Georgia congressman condemns question about shooting president
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3881&e=6&u=/yblog_theticket/georgia-congressman-condemns-question-about-shooting-president
> The Ticket - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:42 pm PST
>
> Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) said Friday he was "stunned" that someone asked him "who's going to shoot Obama?" at a town hall earlier this week. Blake Aued of the Athens Banner-Herald reported Wednesday that the question elicited laughter and provoked a sympathetic response from Broun: "I know there's a lot of frustration with this president. [...]
> Why Isn't the GOP Learning From Chris Christie?
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3732&e=7&u=/atlantic/whyisntthegoplearningfromchrischristie7141
> The Atlantic Wire - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:21 pm PST
>
> Daunted by the bitter budget battle in Wisconsin, GOP leaders in "several states" are softening their positions on public employee unions, reports the Associated Press. In Indiana, Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) implored GOP legislators to abandon a "right to work" bill. In Ohio, GOP senate leaders have watered down a bill prohibiting collective bargaining rights for public employees. Michigan's and Florida's GOP governors have agreed to take a "conciliatory approach" to union groups. The question that should come to mind for Republican strategists is why now? Whether one considers the fight against public unions an example of malicious Republican scapegoating or genuine budgetary problem-solving is beside the point. Politically, there's a strong argument to make that union-bashing has never been a more popular issue. In his cover story in The New York Times Magazine, Matt Bai makes precisely that argument in his assessment of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's recent successes: Not only are public employees' contracts no longer untouchable for any politician who wants to stay in office, but it turns out that the opposite is true; taking the fight to the unions is a good way to bolster your credentials as a gutsy reformer with voters who have been losing faith for years in public schools and government bureaucracies. This, more than anything else, is the lesson that Chris Christie has impressed on his contemporaries.
> Right now sees FLOTUS as fair game
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3227&e=8&u=/politico/50155
> Politico - Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:43 pm PST
>
> Except for an ill-advised trip to an expensive Spanish resort last summer, Michelle Obama has escaped much of the criticism that has been directed at her husband, keeping a relatively low-profile while primarily focusing on childhood obesity, military families and the arts.
> Decision time for Newt
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3256&e=9&u=/politico_rss/20110226/rss_politico_mostpop/http___www_politico_com_news_stories0211_50257_html
> Politico - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:47 pm PST
>
> It's clear that Newt Gingrich is just days away deciding what to do next about a presidential run.
> Shutdown veterans of '95: 'Don't do it'
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3256&e=10&u=/politico_rss/20110226/rss_politico_mostpop/http___www_politico_com_news_stories0211_50226_html
> Politico - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:31 pm PST
>
> Senate Dems and House Republicans seem willing to negotiate at least a two-week measure.
> US citizen recalls 'humiliating' post-9/11 arrest
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=11&u=/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_ashcroft_lawsuit
> AP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:47 am PST
>
> Handcuffed and marched through Washington's Dulles International Airport in his Muslim clothing, the man with the long, dark beard could only imagine what people were thinking.
> Govs to feds: Avoid causing states any more pain
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=12&u=/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_governors_economy
> AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:51 pm PST
>
> Their states on the brink of financial catastrophe, governors pleaded Saturday for the divided federal government to avoid doing anything that would hamper the tenuous economic recovery back home.
> Boy stuck 2 years in Ukraine arrives in Belgium
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=14&u=/ap/20110226/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_stranded_baby
> AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:56 pm PST
>
> A baby trapped more than two years in Ukraine by bureaucratic hurdles has arrived in Brussels with his parents, a pair of legally married Belgian men, ending the couple's long legal battle to bring their son home.
> Obama says Kadhafi must 'leave now': WHouse
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&e=15&u=/afp/20110227/ts_alt_afp/libyaunrestpoliticsus
> AFP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:12 am PST
>
> President Barack Obama has called on Moamer Kadhafi to "leave now," declaring that the Libyan leader had lost his right to rule after attacking his own people to put down a popular uprising.
> Lawmakers Come Under Rocket Fire in Iraq, Claim They Weren't Scared
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3732&e=16&u=/atlantic/20110225/cm_atlantic/lawmakerscomeunderrocketfireiniraqclaimtheywerentscared7142
> The Atlantic Wire - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:18 pm PST
>
> Five members of Congress came under rocket fire while visiting a military base in Iraq Friday, Politico's Marin Cogan reports. They were herded into a bunker and guarded by soldiers while they listened to the explosions. But don't worry folks--they weren't scared, not for a minute.
> Former Rep. Chris Lee may have been searching for transgender women on Craigslist
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=17&u=/dailycaller/20110226/pl_dailycaller/formerrepchrisleemayhavebeensearchingfortransgenderwomenoncraigslist
> Daily Caller - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:39 am PST
>
> The Craigslist cruising of former New York Republican Rep. Chris Lee may have been more expansive than first reported.
> No shutdown after all? Senate Dems 'encouraged' by GOP short-term funding plan
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=18&u=/dailycaller/20110225/pl_dailycaller/noshutdownafterallsenatedemsencouragedbygopshorttermfundingplan
> Daily Caller - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:02 pm PST
>
> Senate Democrats suggested Friday that the upper chamber could come to a short-term agreement to extend government funding with House Republicans after all, which would put off the threat of a government shutdown for at least two more weeks.
> Mulling 2012 run, Pawlenty hits "union-coddling" Obama
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=19&u=/nm/20110226/pl_nm/us_pawlenty
> Reuters - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:07 pm PST
>
> Not known as a hard-hitting conservative, former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty got a standing ovation from Tea Party activists on Saturday as he praised small government, the U.S. Constitution and took a swing at "union-coddling" President Barack Obama.
> Angry rallier screams about 'uneducated' Tea Party [VIDEO]
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=20&u=/dailycaller/20110225/pl_dailycaller/angryrallierscreamsaboutuneducatedteapartyvideo
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> A livid public union supporter rants during a Feb. 22 anti-Scott Walker rally, shrieking about the Tea Party and in favor of unions, which he says the country is based upon.
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Sunday, February 27, 2011

[PDI] FW: Daily News Digest: Politics News

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Here's just another series of examples of what corporate media is reporting.

If you want to know about the NATION-WIDE protests, take a good look around http://www.rawstory.com This morning. They even have a blog full of photos from people AT the rallies. Even Texas and Alaska turned out.

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Signs of progress in averting government shutdown
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=1&u=/ap/us_congress_spending
AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:49 am PST

Lawmakers appear to be moving closer to a compromise that would prevent a government shutdown, at least for now.
Largest crowds since Vietnam War march in Wisconsin
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=2&u=/nm/us_wisconsin_protests
Reuters - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:03 pm PST

A crowd estimated at more than 70,000 people on Saturday waved American flags, sang the national anthem and called for the defeat of a Wisconsin plan to curb public sector unions that has galvanized opposition from the American labor movement.
Obama: It's time for Libya's Gadhafi to go
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=3&u=/ap/us_us_libya
AP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:42 am PST

President Barack Obama has called on Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi to leave power immediately, saying he has lost the legitimacy to rule with his violent crackdown on his own people.
Tea party uses Ariz. summit to scope out 2012 role
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&e=4&u=/ap/us_tea_party_summit2012
AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:59 pm PST

Tea party supporters packed a Phoenix convention center Saturday to hear from two possible contenders for next year's Republican presidential nomination an election the conservative populist movement is determined to shape after helping the GOP to big gains in the midterm elections.
Trump says presidential bid isn't a publicity stunt
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3882&e=5&u=/yblog_theticket/trump-says-presidential-bid-isnt-a-publicity-stunt
The Ticket - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:37 am PST

It's hard to take a prospective presidential candidate seriously when he has no political experience, and when his current claim to public renown is a reality TV franchise involving more than a little self-parody. But Donald Trump suggests he's going to have the last laugh when he announces a bid. Politico's Mike Allen reports that [...]
Georgia congressman condemns question about shooting president
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3881&e=6&u=/yblog_theticket/georgia-congressman-condemns-question-about-shooting-president
The Ticket - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:42 pm PST

Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) said Friday he was "stunned" that someone asked him "who's going to shoot Obama?" at a town hall earlier this week. Blake Aued of the Athens Banner-Herald reported Wednesday that the question elicited laughter and provoked a sympathetic response from Broun: "I know there's a lot of frustration with this president. [...]
Why Isn't the GOP Learning From Chris Christie?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3732&e=7&u=/atlantic/whyisntthegoplearningfromchrischristie7141
The Atlantic Wire - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:21 pm PST

Daunted by the bitter budget battle in Wisconsin, GOP leaders in "several states" are softening their positions on public employee unions, reports the Associated Press. In Indiana, Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) implored GOP legislators to abandon a "right to work" bill. In Ohio, GOP senate leaders have watered down a bill prohibiting collective bargaining rights for public employees. Michigan's and Florida's GOP governors have agreed to take a "conciliatory approach" to union groups. The question that should come to mind for Republican strategists is why now? Whether one considers the fight against public unions an example of malicious Republican scapegoating or genuine budgetary problem-solving is beside the point. Politically, there's a strong argument to make that union-bashing has never been a more popular issue. In his cover story in The New York Times Magazine, Matt Bai makes precisely that argument in his assessment of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's recent successes: Not only are public employees' contracts no longer untouchable for any politician who wants to stay in office, but it turns out that the opposite is true; taking the fight to the unions is a good way to bolster your credentials as a gutsy reformer with voters who have been losing faith for years in public schools and government bureaucracies. This, more than anything else, is the lesson that Chris Christie has impressed on his contemporaries.
Right now sees FLOTUS as fair game
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3227&e=8&u=/politico/50155
Politico - Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:43 pm PST

Except for an ill-advised trip to an expensive Spanish resort last summer, Michelle Obama has escaped much of the criticism that has been directed at her husband, keeping a relatively low-profile while primarily focusing on childhood obesity, military families and the arts.
Decision time for Newt
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3256&e=9&u=/politico_rss/20110226/rss_politico_mostpop/http___www_politico_com_news_stories0211_50257_html
Politico - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:47 pm PST

It's clear that Newt Gingrich is just days away deciding what to do next about a presidential run.
Shutdown veterans of '95: 'Don't do it'
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3256&e=10&u=/politico_rss/20110226/rss_politico_mostpop/http___www_politico_com_news_stories0211_50226_html
Politico - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:31 pm PST

Senate Dems and House Republicans seem willing to negotiate at least a two-week measure.
US citizen recalls 'humiliating' post-9/11 arrest
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=11&u=/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_ashcroft_lawsuit
AP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:47 am PST

Handcuffed and marched through Washington's Dulles International Airport in his Muslim clothing, the man with the long, dark beard could only imagine what people were thinking.
Govs to feds: Avoid causing states any more pain
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=12&u=/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_governors_economy
AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:51 pm PST

Their states on the brink of financial catastrophe, governors pleaded Saturday for the divided federal government to avoid doing anything that would hamper the tenuous economic recovery back home.
Boy stuck 2 years in Ukraine arrives in Belgium
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=14&u=/ap/20110226/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_stranded_baby
AP - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:56 pm PST

A baby trapped more than two years in Ukraine by bureaucratic hurdles has arrived in Brussels with his parents, a pair of legally married Belgian men, ending the couple's long legal battle to bring their son home.
Obama says Kadhafi must 'leave now': WHouse
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&e=15&u=/afp/20110227/ts_alt_afp/libyaunrestpoliticsus
AFP - Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:12 am PST

President Barack Obama has called on Moamer Kadhafi to "leave now," declaring that the Libyan leader had lost his right to rule after attacking his own people to put down a popular uprising.
Lawmakers Come Under Rocket Fire in Iraq, Claim They Weren't Scared
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3732&e=16&u=/atlantic/20110225/cm_atlantic/lawmakerscomeunderrocketfireiniraqclaimtheywerentscared7142
The Atlantic Wire - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:18 pm PST

Five members of Congress came under rocket fire while visiting a military base in Iraq Friday, Politico's Marin Cogan reports. They were herded into a bunker and guarded by soldiers while they listened to the explosions. But don't worry folks--they weren't scared, not for a minute.
Former Rep. Chris Lee may have been searching for transgender women on Craigslist
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=17&u=/dailycaller/20110226/pl_dailycaller/formerrepchrisleemayhavebeensearchingfortransgenderwomenoncraigslist
Daily Caller - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:39 am PST

The Craigslist cruising of former New York Republican Rep. Chris Lee may have been more expansive than first reported.
No shutdown after all? Senate Dems 'encouraged' by GOP short-term funding plan
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=18&u=/dailycaller/20110225/pl_dailycaller/noshutdownafterallsenatedemsencouragedbygopshorttermfundingplan
Daily Caller - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:02 pm PST

Senate Democrats suggested Friday that the upper chamber could come to a short-term agreement to extend government funding with House Republicans after all, which would put off the threat of a government shutdown for at least two more weeks.
Mulling 2012 run, Pawlenty hits "union-coddling" Obama
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=19&u=/nm/20110226/pl_nm/us_pawlenty
Reuters - Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:07 pm PST

Not known as a hard-hitting conservative, former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty got a standing ovation from Tea Party activists on Saturday as he praised small government, the U.S. Constitution and took a swing at "union-coddling" President Barack Obama.
Angry rallier screams about 'uneducated' Tea Party [VIDEO]
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=3792&e=20&u=/dailycaller/20110225/pl_dailycaller/angryrallierscreamsaboutuneducatedteapartyvideo
Daily Caller - Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:47 am PST

A livid public union supporter rants during a Feb. 22 anti-Scott Walker rally, shrieking about the Tea Party and in favor of unions, which he says the country is based upon.
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[PDI] Why do we call it "mainstream media" when it's really...

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...CORPORATE media?

That helps frame the beast in credibility.

From now on, I will always and only call it corporate media.

If I know that a nrwspaper or radio station is one of those rare independents, I will call them "independent news source" xxxxxyyyyyzzzzz.

Name the beast wherever you see it. Don't help it hide in shadows of its own creation.

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Saturday, February 26, 2011

#wiunion #Wisconsin Rawstory.com Looking For Our Story:


"Send us your photos, video links and stories, email citizenmedia@rawstory.com, or post to Twitter under the hashtag #rawrevolt."

Friday, February 25, 2011

#WIunion: #Wisconsin Police Association Urges Members To Join Protesters' Sleep-In At State Capitol

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/25/wisconsin-police-association-urges-members-to-join-sleep-in-at-capitol/

Monday, February 21, 2011

Re: [PDI] Question of law

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So if corporations are "persons," what are the logical conlusions based on the definition below? Wouldn't it be unconstitutional to own or control a corporation?

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Here's from a legal dictionary - not sure what you are looking for here:



A civil relationship in which one person has absolute power over the life,
fortune, and liberty of another.
_http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/slavery_
(http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/slavery)

Lori

In a message dated 2/20/2011 9:03:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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I am not comparing the draft to slavery, that was Gary's comment, although
some aspects of military service, even the voluntary kind are damned
close. That is not what I'm after.

I asked if the legal definition of slavery is one person owning another in
my first email. I still haven't gotten a definitive answer. If that's not
the legal definition, what I'm thinking of is moot.

Dan

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To: Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PDI] Question of law

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Bob, Dan and Gary are failing to take into account that slavery has to do
with one person owning another.

Being drafted is not the same as being owned by any military
organization,;it is right there in the Constitution where it states that
the
right to bear arms (as in the nation's defense, which is understood) shall
not be infringed.

Comparing the draft with slavery is nonsense.

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I'm STILL not seeing a definition

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Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:58 PM

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> Quoting Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>:

>

>> As I understand it, slavery is illegal in the US & other countries.

>>

>> How is this defined under the US Constitution & other law? Is one
person


>> forbidden to own another?

>

>

> The Thirteenth Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,

> except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly

> convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject
to

> their jurisdiction.

>

>

> (The military draft blatantly violated this, proving that laws are only

> as good as their application and enforcement.)

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Re: [PDI] Question of law

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Quoting Ron Weiner <ronweiner1@comcast.net>:

> Being drafted is not the same as being owned by any military
> organization,;it is right there in the Constitution where it states that the
> right to bear arms (as in the nation's defense, which is understood) shall
> not be infringed.
>
>
>
> Comparing the draft with slavery is nonsense.

Maybe so, but remember that the amendment reads, "Neither slavery nor
involuntary servitude". If you don't see how the draft clearly *is*
involuntary servitude, then I may need to send Max Klinger over to
have him explain it. (I'm a bit mystified at how the right to bear
arms would translate into the rights of the government to (a) force
you to bear arms, (b) tell you what to do with those arms, and (c)
throw you into prison, where you are no longer entitled to armaments
of any kind, if you don't comply; but to make it moot I'll just point
out that the Thirteenth Amendment overrides anything contrary to it in
the original body or in a previous amendment.)

As for a precise definition of slavery, I doubt that you'll find one.
There might be court cases in which gray areas were hashed out, but
the general thought is that we know it when we see it.

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Re: [PDI] Question of law

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Here's from a legal dictionary - not sure what you are looking for here:



A civil relationship in which one person has absolute power over the life,
fortune, and liberty of another.
_http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/slavery_
(http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/slavery)

Lori

In a message dated 2/20/2011 9:03:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
aquarianm@gmail.com writes:

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I am not comparing the draft to slavery, that was Gary's comment, although
some aspects of military service, even the voluntary kind are damned
close. That is not what I'm after.

I asked if the legal definition of slavery is one person owning another in
my first email. I still haven't gotten a definitive answer. If that's not
the legal definition, what I'm thinking of is moot.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Weiner <ronweiner1@comcast.net>
Sent: February 20, 2011 5:18 PM
To: Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PDI] Question of law

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Bob, Dan and Gary are failing to take into account that slavery has to do
with one person owning another.

Being drafted is not the same as being owned by any military
organization,;it is right there in the Constitution where it states that
the
right to bear arms (as in the nation's defense, which is understood) shall
not be infringed.

Comparing the draft with slavery is nonsense.

-----Original Message-----
From: pdi-bounces@illinoisprogressives.org
[mailto:pdi-bounces@illinoisprogressives.org] On Behalf Of Bob Babcock
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:16 PM
To: ronweiner1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [PDI] Question of law

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I'm STILL not seeing a definition

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To: <Bob.Babcock.now@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:58 PM

Subject: Re: [PDI] Question of law

> *** SENT THROUGH PDI MAILING LIST ***

> Quoting Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>:

>

>> As I understand it, slavery is illegal in the US & other countries.

>>

>> How is this defined under the US Constitution & other law? Is one
person


>> forbidden to own another?

>

>

> The Thirteenth Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,

> except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly

> convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject
to

> their jurisdiction.

>

>

> (The military draft blatantly violated this, proving that laws are only

> as good as their application and enforcement.)

>

>

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Sunday, February 20, 2011

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Sorry, but I'm at a loss to such a "legal" definition.

Ron.

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I am not comparing the draft to slavery, that was Gary's comment, although
some aspects of military service, even the voluntary kind are damned close.
That is not what I'm after.

I asked if the legal definition of slavery is one person owning another in
my first email. I still haven't gotten a definitive answer. If that's not
the legal definition, what I'm thinking of is moot.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Weiner <ronweiner1@comcast.net>
Sent: February 20, 2011 5:18 PM
To: Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PDI] Question of law

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Bob, Dan and Gary are failing to take into account that slavery has to do
with one person owning another.

Being drafted is not the same as being owned by any military
organization,;it is right there in the Constitution where it states that the
right to bear arms (as in the nation's defense, which is understood) shall
not be infringed.

Comparing the draft with slavery is nonsense.

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I'm STILL not seeing a definition

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> Quoting Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>:

>

>> As I understand it, slavery is illegal in the US & other countries.

>>

>> How is this defined under the US Constitution & other law? Is one person


>> forbidden to own another?

>

>

> The Thirteenth Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,

> except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly

> convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to

> their jurisdiction.

>

>

> (The military draft blatantly violated this, proving that laws are only

> as good as their application and enforcement.)

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Re: [PDI] Question of law

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I am not comparing the draft to slavery, that was Gary's comment, although some aspects of military service, even the voluntary kind are damned close. That is not what I'm after.

I asked if the legal definition of slavery is one person owning another in my first email. I still haven't gotten a definitive answer. If that's not the legal definition, what I'm thinking of is moot.

Dan

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Bob, Dan and Gary are failing to take into account that slavery has to do
with one person owning another.

Being drafted is not the same as being owned by any military
organization,;it is right there in the Constitution where it states that the
right to bear arms (as in the nation's defense, which is understood) shall
not be infringed.

Comparing the draft with slavery is nonsense.

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I'm STILL not seeing a definition

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Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:58 PM

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> Quoting Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>:

>

>> As I understand it, slavery is illegal in the US & other countries.

>>

>> How is this defined under the US Constitution & other law? Is one person


>> forbidden to own another?

>

>

> The Thirteenth Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,

> except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly

> convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to

> their jurisdiction.

>

>

> (The military draft blatantly violated this, proving that laws are only

> as good as their application and enforcement.)

>

>

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Re: [PDI] Question of law

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Bob, Dan and Gary are failing to take into account that slavery has to do
with one person owning another.

Being drafted is not the same as being owned by any military
organization,;it is right there in the Constitution where it states that the
right to bear arms (as in the nation's defense, which is understood) shall
not be infringed.

Comparing the draft with slavery is nonsense.

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I'm STILL not seeing a definition

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To: <Bob.Babcock.now@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:58 PM

Subject: Re: [PDI] Question of law

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> Quoting Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>:

>

>> As I understand it, slavery is illegal in the US & other countries.

>>

>> How is this defined under the US Constitution & other law? Is one person


>> forbidden to own another?

>

>

> The Thirteenth Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,

> except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly

> convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to

> their jurisdiction.

>

>

> (The military draft blatantly violated this, proving that laws are only

> as good as their application and enforcement.)

>

>

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Re: [PDI] Question of law

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Why do you ask??

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As I understand it, slavery is illegal in the US & other countries.

How is this defined under the US Constitution & other law? Is one person
forbidden to own another?

Thanks,

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[PDI] FW: Join us in Wisconsin

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A bus will be going to Madison on Monday!  Scroll down for more information....
 
Best of luck to all! 
Solidarity with the workers of Wisconsin!
 
Carol

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FYI

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:33:18 +0000
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Subject: Join us in Wisconsin



Solidarity in Wisconsin
Solidarity in Wisconsin

Monday, February 21
Depart: 6am

Where: Plumbers' Hall
1340 W Washington
Chicago, IL
Return: 9pm


Workers' rights are under attack in Wisconsin.  The Chicago Federation of Labor and Jobs with Justice are sending a bus to Madison on Monday so we can stand in solidarity with our brothers and sisters at risk of losing their right to bargain collectively.
If you are interested in joining us, contact Susan by email or at 773-412-2386.

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Re: [PDI] Question of law

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Ok, so constitutionally it's banned. However, to get at what I'm thinking of, how it's DEFINED under the law is critical.

I DO have a Progressive and ethical direction to take this.

Dan

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Quoting Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>:

> As I understand it, slavery is illegal in the US & other countries.
>
> How is this defined under the US Constitution & other law? Is one
> person forbidden to own another?


The Thirteenth Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,
except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been
duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place
subject to their jurisdiction.


(The military draft blatantly violated this, proving that laws are
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Re: [PDI] Question of law

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I'm STILL not seeing a definition

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> *** SENT THROUGH PDI MAILING LIST ***
> Quoting Dan Stafford <aquarianm@gmail.com>:
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>> As I understand it, slavery is illegal in the US & other countries.
>>
>> How is this defined under the US Constitution & other law? Is one person
>> forbidden to own another?
>
>
> The Thirteenth Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,
> except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly
> convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to
> their jurisdiction.
>
>
> (The military draft blatantly violated this, proving that laws are only
> as good as their application and enforcement.)
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