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[PDI] List posts (was: Re: Fwd: [IllinoisSinglePayer] please sign petitionin support of illinois universal health care act)

On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:28:09 -0600, Ron Weiner wrote:

>At the risk of continuing this "exercise-to-no-real-point" it seems from the
>e-address that you are addressing your remarks to me when I think you might
>have meant them for Elaine Hopkins, the person who began this entire

Okay, long and slightly technical discussion to ensue here. I know this sort of
thing can make people's eyes glaze over. ** Everybody please read it anyway. **
It's important for everyone to have a basic understanding of how the list works
so we can cut down on this kind of misunderstanding in future.

The post Ron is talking about, like this one that y'all are reading now, was
sent not directly to him, but to everybody over the list, even though it looks
like it wasn't. The message received by Ron was addressed like an email sent
directly to him:


The copy that each of you received was similarly addressed to your own
individual address. That's what our list is set to do. It used to show the list
address ( in the To: field. That turned out to be a
problem, because we had people reporting our messages as spam and couldn't
figure out who because the messages didn't identify the recipient.

To hopefully reduce confusion in future, I've added a new header at the top of
each post identifying the message as having come through this list.

How else can you tell a list post from a private email? The surest way is to go
to the list archives and see whether the post is there. Use that URL at the
bottom of every list post. Then click on the PDI Archives link. You will have to
log in with the password that should be emailed to you once a month.

As far as looking at the message itself, there are a number of ways to tell a
list post, none of which is absolutely foolproof:

1) Look for the list footer at the bottom of the post.

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Every post that comes through the list will have this footer with YOUR address
after "This message was sent to". If it has SOMEBODY ELSE'S address then it's
NOT a list post. Unfortunately a lot of people don't snip out anything from
previous messages when sending a reply. Even if it is your address, it could
have been left in from a post that you replied to.

2) Look at the full headers of the email. It should have a line like this:

Received: from ([])
by with esmtp (Exim 4.69)
(envelope-from <>) id 1PdwoE-0003gm-Tp
for; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:28:14 -0500

This is from Ron's post, but every list post will have a similar header with the
sender's address and IP in place of Ron's.

Farther down, you should see headers like these:

List-Id: Progressive Dems of IL
List-Post: <>
List-Help: <>

3) If you hit the Reply button to a list message, the reply message will be
addressed back to the list, whereas with an email directly to you the reply
would be addressed to the sender.

In general, before you send off a reply to any email, ALWAYS look at the
destination fields (the To:, CC:, and BCC:) to see where the reply is actually
addressed. It might not be going where you think it's going. If just hitting
"Reply" doesn't address the message where you want, any good email software will
let you edit the destination(s) before you hit the "Send" button.

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